RRT: BSM & Dark Matter (collider & beyond)
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Meeting ID: 694 3426 4047
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What is missing in the PPG’s representation of the LC BSM / Dark physics case? 55mSpeaker: All
Notes from meeting:
- Two categories of problem:
- LC lines missing in plots that have been chosen
- choice of plots tends to play down e+e- and particularly high energies - We agree that 3TeV CLIC results should be included - briefing book should reflect complete state of scientific knowledge.
- From Rebeca's talk
https://agenda.infn.it/event/44943/timetable/#20250626.detailed - slide 5, Y-Universal Z' - where does LCF 500 line come from? - are luminosities correct for LC lines? Should be updated with latest EFT fit, and 550. (Roberto)
- slide 6, Le-Lmu - choice of model is surprising (but FCC-ee published paper in March). The "HET mono-gamma" is supposed to be a LC study projected on to this model; only 250. But there is a full simulation study at 500GeV, also extrapolated to 1TeV, and CLIC also has a mono-photon study at 3TeV. (Filip has UFO from Roberto, can have results in muon-gamma channel in a few weeks.) Need to check where 4-fermion lines come from (final state? contact interaction?), but strange that there is no LC line between FCC-ee and MuC 10TeV.
Filip will try to collect mono-photon results.
Jenny will look for 500GeV full sim study. - slide 8, composite Higgs - LCF500 to be updated to 550
slide 9, composite Higgs - 3TeV missing CLIC study is http://arxiv.org/abs/arXiv:1812.02093 Fig 35 - slide 10, RG-improved
We think these are very simplified models; need to understand assumptions.
Not clear what LCF means - Z-pole? CoM energies should be given
CLIC study is http://arxiv.org/abs/arXiv:1812.02093 Fig 35, 36, 37
Roman will dig deeper into this one. - slide 12, real scalar singlet
All LCs missing
indirect constraints come from Higgs couplings fit, should be added for all LCs
CLIC has resonant search, should be added - slide 13 Higgs potential
CLIC is missing. LCF should give CoM energies.
Sven/Georg should take the lead on this one - slide 14 first-order phase transition
Georg should comment. Narrow correlation is not seen beyond Leading Order?
LCF energies should be given. - slide 15 first-order phase transition
No lines at all for e+e- ?
Was this in Shinya's talk from January? - slide 17 wino, and slide 18 higgsino
LCF 250, 550 should be added
CLIC 3TeV should be added, http://arxiv.org/abs/arXiv:1812.02093 Fig 74
Should be made clear that disappearing track results are much more model-dependent than the rest - slide 20 - leptoquarks
Should the models be more general?
Theorists may want to comment. - slide 21 flavour deconstructed models
LCs have many Z' limits -- either they are missing, or the model here is particularly carefully chosen
Should be as good as FCCee ee->ff, and polarisation could gain
Perhaps Juergen could have a deeper look? - slide 24 SUSY etc
Mikael will take a closer look
Sleptons should be added - slide 25 top partners
what constraints would come indirectly? - slide 27 dark photons
CEPC line is old theory estimate that is wrong
FCC-ee may come from the same source?
Mikael may be able to do a simple rescaling of LCF results to higher energies
Beam dump area of plot - e+e- colliders are completely missing (Ivo) - slide 30 HNL
should include lines from Juergen/Filip/Krzystof's study - NEXT steps:
- Jenny notifies “scenario responsibles” not present
- each “scenario responsibles” collects immediate comments by the weekend
- Jenny provides overleaf skeleton, "scenario responsibles” there topics
- first snapshot to PPG early next week with straight-forward comments
- prepare more comprehensive view as well => updated dedicated note AND LCVision-Generic document
- comment&question by Mikael:
I have a comment and a question on the plot on dark photons that you showed in your presentation on Monday (slide 6, and slide 11):
You say that the curve for CEPC comes from Karliner &al (arxiv:2207.06307). This result is simply *wrong* - it is based on a much too naive view on how this kind of signal can be measured in any kind of collider detector, details in the ECFA-HEP report CERN-2025-005 (arXiv:2506.15390) p. 234-236. The curve should not be shown - CEPC could be asked to give an update.
The question is how you did the extrapolation of LHC to HL-LHC (and FCC-hh)? I see a factor about 3 between LHC and HL-LHC, which i find surprisingly much. LHC to HL-LHC would mean ~10 more statistics, so I would expect the cross-section limit would be sqrt(10) ~ 3 times better, and since the cross-section goes with epsilon^2, the epsilon limit would be the square-root of that, so only about 1.8, not 3. Or am I missing missing something?
- comments by Lucie
CERN-2018-009-M stands for the CLIC yellow report on the CLIC Potential for New Physics: http://arxiv.org/abs/arXiv:1812.02093
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- Slide 6: Le-Lmu: LCF and CLIC are missing.
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- Slide 9: Compositeness: CLIC 3 TeV is missing. The corresponding study is documented in CERN-2018-009-M
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- Slide 10: RG: CLIC is missing. For LCF a label on the used CoM energies is missing. In general the plot is problematic; cannot match colours with facilities.
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- Slide 12: Scalar singlet: All Linear Colliders are missing. A CLIC study exists, documented in CERN-2018-009-M.
- Slide 13: shape of Higgs potential: CLIC is missing. For LCF a label on the used CoM energies is missing.
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- Slide 14: Scalar singlet: CLIC is missing. For LCF a label on the used CoM energies is missing.
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- Slide 15: Electroweak Phase Transition: Linear Colliders are missing.
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- Slides 17/18: Wino and Higgsino: LCF is missing. CLIC 380 and 1500 are shown. As MuCol at 3 TeV and 10 TeV is shown, it makes sense to add CLIC 3 TeV as well. A study exists for CLIC in CERN-2018-009-M (fig. 74)
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- Slides 20/21: Flavour: LCF and CLIC are missing, but MuCol and 3 TeV and 10 TeV is shown, which seems inconsistent.
(CERN-2018-009-M addresses flavour issues for CLIC, but I see no overlap with the subjects in Rebeca’s talk)
- Slides 20/21: Flavour: LCF and CLIC are missing, but MuCol and 3 TeV and 10 TeV is shown, which seems inconsistent.
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- Slide 27: Dark Photon: Very many facilities are shown in the plot, but LCF and CLIC are missing.
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- Slide 28: Dark Scalar/Higgs: LCF and CLIC are missing. FCC-ee curve is bizarre => looks like work-in-progress
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- Slide 29/30: ALP and HNL: LCF(250) is shown, but CLIC is missing.
- Two categories of problem:
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